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Trying Something New - Peppermint Shrimp

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mgarden   

So on Thursday night we collected our first batch of True perc fry (actually we are trying a cross between a true perc and an onyx - hoping to get more black but not too black). The egg patch was not very large but it was the first to make it to 8 days. We set up the collection system and let it set for about 1.5 hours. Steve looks at it and shouts - holy cow you should see this. It turns out that the peppermint shrimp let their larva go at the same time. The collector was full. We tried to seperate them the best we could but some of the shrimp are with the fish and we have about 1 gallon with just shrimp.

We haven't tried to raise these before. It appears to be a lot of work - changing 80 - 90% of water every other day, keeping them suspended until the settle (about 30 days). We haven't found a lot of information with regard to feeding so we put algae, rotifers and some newly hatched brine shrimp in. Its going to be a challange getting the large food items out without getting the live shrimp out, but we are trying to work it thru.

Dont have a camera that will take photos of stuff that small, but when they get bigger I will try to post.

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Yardboy   

Good Luck! Sounds very exciting. Coincidentally I ordered some peppermint shrimp from SeaLife Inc. yesterday. Not because of aiptasia, but just because I want several species of shrimp in my tank!

I'll be watching this thread closely to see how you do.

Ya know, for little stuff like amphipods/copepods I use a magnifying glass in front of the lens to my point and shoot and it works surprisingly well, not Nat. Geo. level but it does get the shot!

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mgarden   

So its 5 days post hatch (DPH). We ended up trying to put all of the shrimp in their own tank (5-gallon) and tried feeding them just newly hatched bbs. Most of these were dead today. There are 2 left. However in the tank where the true percs are growing, we have about 1/2 dozen. So we moved the 2 in with the fish. The fish at this time in their growth are only eating rotifers. We feed 2x a day rots with algae and the water is a slight green. The shrimp seem fine in there. They are floating around and apparently eating. They are starting to get some color on the front feet and tail.

Tried taking some pictures with a magnifying glass and the shrimp are clear and you really cant make them out. I will try again in a couple of days and maybe use a dark background.

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Yardboy   

So if you get another chance you think you will just try the same regimen that you use on the clowns?

Are the true percs doing well? Sounds like you have lots to keep you busy!

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mgarden   

The Trues are doing great. We are waiting to collect another batch of just shrimp from another tank. We are going to try to raise them for about a 7 days on rots and then introduce the bbs. We havent got an exact date on when the shirmp first had the eggs. They are very enlarged so we have had the collector set for 2 nights now but no shrimp. Cant hurt to be prepared. All total we have 4 5-gallon tanks with various stages of fish fry. We have an empty one waiting for the shrimp.

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mgarden   

Shrimp are larger than the fish today. They are still "free floating" and today we have decreased the amount of rots and upped the bbs. It is getting close to metamorphisis for the clowns and they are large enough to eat the bbs too. No new shrimp yet we still have the catcher set up. Rotifer supply is getting low and we should have 2 more batches of fry this weekend (1 black and white and one true percs). We have been letting the Gold Striped ones go as no one seems interested in them. :-(

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Nomadic1   

I've had pepps release their hatchlings many times in my tanks, but, the fish are always hungrily awaiting it, even though it's lights out. I hope they make it!

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mgarden   

We let them just go back into the tank circulation. None of them ever make it to adults in the tank. There isnt enough food for them to survive. But worms, starfish, corals pods can feed on them.

We never release any fish into the Gulf. Very bad for the environment - like the lion fish.....

We dont consider the fish worthless, its just that there isnt a market for GSM. The trouble is that if you are successful you can end up with more than 100 fish that are extremely aggressive. They take along time to develop the gold stripe (4 -5 months). Holding on to that many fish for up to a year is not economically sound since you can only sell them for a certain price.

There are about 12 shrimp - we got a better count last night, while collecting another batch of B & Ws.

Thanks for the encouragement. We really enjoy the challenge.

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JEC11718   

its hard to be sarcastic in type....i was kidding!I know they are not worthless! I would take a clownfish off your hands if and when they are ready, just not sure how far away u are!

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mgarden   

Just an update - the tank has been converted to only bbs and dry foods, no rots or greenwater anymore.

Two days ago we added a sponge filter and changed 1/3 of the water. We had been keeping the same water schedule that we have used with the clowns but the food load was too much. Putting the sponge filter in is early for the fish. We were having difficulty getting the old bbs out and re-stocking with newly hatched.

I took pictures but the shrimp still look like specs. You can see them well in the tank, but cant capture it with the cameras and magnifying glasses we have. There are still 12. The shrimp should "settle" in about 30 days so we are about 1/2 way there!

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Eldouble   

Good luck with them. I hear they are a bit tougher than clowns, but about the same husbandry. Now if you could co raise them with the fish... you might be on to something :) I had 4 peps in my 90 and they were always dropping eggs. IIRC... They can change sex rapidly, so whichever shrimp hatches the eggs one week, may be the daddy the next.

Miles

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mgarden   

Didnt know they could change sex, but I havent really read much about them. From what I did read the first few weeks are kinda like what people do with certain types of seahorses. Kreisel circulation, green water and rots. Then newly hatched bbs. We have all the stuff up and going so we decided to give it a try. There are still about 15 - 20 left and should be "settling" in the next couple of weeks. Steve got out the video camera and tried taking photos. I am hoping to post a few pics over the weekend.

Second batch is underway with over 100 or so still going strong. Cant see them very well. I hate to admit that we just let some cleaner shrimp fry to conserve rots for the next few batches of fish.

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mgarden   

http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx251/2divers-pc/Peppermint.jpg

Peppermint.jpg

So there it is. On June 9th (24 days post hatch), 3 shirmp metamorphised into tiny baby peppermint shirmp. They are "settled" and not floating around in the water column anymore. We are still feeding crushed dry flakes and pellets, bbs and some chopped mysis.

Here is a picture showing both the unchanged and changed ones. Still have between 15 -20 of these ones and a whole lot more younger ones!

http://i761.photobucket.com/albums/xx251/2divers-pc/BothPeps.jpg

BothPeps.jpg

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JEC11718   

those are so cute! Thanks for the update! I love the GSM that I got from ya'll! My daughter named her Foxy, tho its probably male! its buddies with a purple dottyback named Strawberry! Josh

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