Eldouble

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Eldouble   

I'm only mixing them since I have so few of the cinnamons, and 7 hatches to put into 4 tanks :) Once they get a bit bigger and moved into the growout tanks, I'll separate them back out. Guess I need to expand the hatching area.

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Eldouble   

I ended up loosing all of the True Percs, and have 5 baby Cinnamons left. But I have a large clutch of each right now that are a few days old. Hopefully I can keep them alive. The ocellaris are going good still. Had to add another tank to growout this weekend. But only 5 are large enough right now to sell. Probably have a few deliveries ready in 3 or 4 weeks.

I'll be moving in 2 weeks, and will be able to double the size of the hatchery. Not looking forward to moving, but the extra space is much needed. Many times clown fish stop laying nests after being moved. I'm hoping they pick back up fairly quickly. But I get to redesign the hatchery :) I've already ordered a second ro membrane to go from 75 to 150 GPD since I will be needing about 500 gallons of water for the move.

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abrian   

Best of luck with the move! More space for more tanks will hopefully make it worth the effort once the dust settles.

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mgarden   

Best of luck with the move. We had problems with moving the breeding pairs. The clarkiis were the quickest to recover but they were the oldest pair about 2 months or so. Hopefully the more mature pairs will go back to laying rather quickly. We have B & Ws and Clarks ready. The oldest maroons are about 3 months now and they are like everyone says very aggresive/territorial. Each stakes out its place and defends it. Funny to watch them because 2 will pair up and fight almost all day. The next day they are at it again. We havent had too many losses from the 2nd batch we had and still have about 11 or 12 from the Feb batch. We added 160 gallons to our grow out system to try an accomodate the maroons and the black & whites. The pinks have not shown any signs of making nests, but they are probably still less than a year old.

I would love to be able to add 500 gallons! I think we would have to add an additional building to our space. Best wishes!

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Eldouble   

The move was completed this weekend. So far w/o incident. :D I apparently did not clean out the new water storage barrels enough though :( I made about 25 gals of sw with water that was stored in one of the new barrels, and put it on the brood stock tank system, since it was the first that I moved. After about 10 mins, I noticed the skimmate was a bit pink. About the same color as benadryl!! I just let it skim out, and nothing seems affected. I will do a lot of small WCs this week to be sure though. I was able to move Jack and Jill with a nest, and they are still tending it. The Cinnamons I moved w/a nest, and they are still tending. Eve was fat during the move, and when we came back with the GO system, she was laying a nest! So I hope they will settle in quick. But all I did was drain half the water out of each tank, tear down the system, move it to the new hatchery, and re-set it all up. They were offline no longer than 2 hours, and nothing in the tanks changed other than some live rock re-arrangement.

Right now, everything is just as it was at the old location. I'll be getting some new tanks to redo the entire GO system so I can maximize the space. I will install another rack in a week or two, and a third in a few months. The new racks are 3 levels not including the floor, 6ft wide, 2ft deep. I'll be able to fit 5 or 6 tanks side by side, 3 high... so 15 - 18 per rack, and multiple sumps on the floor. Hopefully it will take a while to fill up to capacity. 3 racks will be grow out, 2 for hatching and live foods, and 1 for brood stock. I'll get some photos up once its a bit more organized. :)

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Eldouble   

So far so good... 4 of my 5 spawning pairs have laid nests this week after the move. And the 5th's nest just hatched last night so we'll see how they do in a few days. I think I have a local source for the big red olive barrels. I need to grab one up and get rid of my car wash barrels. 6 new tanks coming next week to get a start on the new grow out tank system. When finished, I should have about 900 gallons for growout... up from about 100. Need to buy stock in Instant Ocean :)

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I was going to stay out of this but I really want to say something....

I like the slogan and think it brings up a very touchy sort of, unspoken subject. Fish are not treated like a wild dog/wild land animal would be treated. Fish are treated worse. 1/2 the fish die before making it to the wholesaler, then from that 1/2 they die between the shipping, handling and being thrown in a sub par Fish vendor. THEN, countless die in peoples aquarium because of the people. How many of you have had ALL your fish live for 3 years? How about 1 year? Not many.

My point is if land animals were treated in this manner FEMA would still be screwing you years after you died of old age, You'd be all over Animal Planet as a villion, you WOULD be in jail. Look at Mike Vicks case, if a fishes life is worth as much as a dogs life(I believe it is) then he did no worse to dogs than we do to fish. We just don't see it. THEY SCREAM TOO, WE JUST DON'T HEAR IT.

To me the only reason people are offended is because their desire to have that one nice fish has killed countless others in the process. When buying a fish you have to accept this or chose another route. There is no way around it. EXCEPT......AQUACULTURE.

I didnt realize what a heated debate this was..... Chrisalmand (I like you and will buy from you) dont take this the wrong way but what you just told me is---- I only buy and sell captive bred fish and corals because every tiny creature under our sun counts for something. You are not a sub par vendor and would never buy wild anything?

I know it wasn't what you meant but some folks could take it that way. I'll be seeing you as the new tank cycles.

Gil

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Eldouble   

A lot of this thread was removed, then showed back up after a restore. A healthy debate is always good... but some things that are grossly misunderstood or misinterpreted can easily get nasty. My stand has always been, that if it can be aqua-cultured, don't get the majority from the wild. Get them from a tank. If it only comes from the wild, take it at a replenishable rate. I think Chris' ideals are about the same. Unfortunately, cost tends to steer people to what to buy. But cost should not be the only thing the consumer and/or reseller looks at. My fish wholesale at a premium price... even for tank bred fish. And my LFS owners retail my fish at the same prices as the wild and big name supplier prices. But they are rewarded with an almost 100% survival rate. Only one LFS out of 12, have lost any of my fish in 2 years... Unfortunately they lost all 18 that were delivered in that batch. One small batch lost over 2 years is not bad. Compare that to the big guys. But also I offer a 100% survival guarantee. If they don't make it to the end user, they get replaced. Most suppliers only offer a DOA guarantee. If my LFS buys 20 fish, they get to sell 20 fish. And many times I throw in an extra fish or two just in case.

Keep supporting your LFS, and keep supporting the aquaculture industry. Ask for aqua-cultured products when available. Mermaids Garden (mgarden) has some great fish. Jade Guppy is working on getting seahorses to market. Tons of members are fragging corals. We all have to do our part in making the industry a sustainable industry.

Miles

Owner of 7 wild fish- 20 Tank Bred Fish - 200lbs of aqua-cultured live rock, 200 or so polyps of fragged zoas, and 6 skeletons of fragged SPS corals.

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A lot of this thread was removed, then showed back up after a restore. A healthy debate is always good... but some things that are grossly misunderstood or misinterpreted can easily get nasty. My stand has always been, that if it can be aqua-cultured, don't get the majority from the wild. Get them from a tank. If it only comes from the wild, take it at a replenishable rate. I think Chris' ideals are about the same. Unfortunately, cost tends to steer people to what to buy. But cost should not be the only thing the consumer and/or reseller looks at. My fish wholesale at a premium price... even for tank bred fish. And my LFS owners retail my fish at the same prices as the wild and big name supplier prices. But they are rewarded with an almost 100% survival rate. Only one LFS out of 12, have lost any of my fish in 2 years... Unfortunately they lost all 18 that were delivered in that batch. One small batch lost over 2 years is not bad. Compare that to the big guys. But also I offer a 100% survival guarantee. If they don't make it to the end user, they get replaced. Most suppliers only offer a DOA guarantee. If my LFS buys 20 fish, they get to sell 20 fish. And many times I throw in an extra fish or two just in case.

Keep supporting your LFS, and keep supporting the aquaculture industry. Ask for aqua-cultured products when available. Mermaids Garden (mgarden) has some great fish. Jade Guppy is working on getting seahorses to market. Tons of members are fragging corals. We all have to do our part in making the industry a sustainable industry.

Miles

Owner of 7 wild fish- 20 Tank Bred Fish - 200lbs of aqua-cultured live rock, 200 or so polyps of fragged zoas, and 6 skeletons of fragged SPS corals.

I'LL BUY FISH FROM YOU AFTER MY TANK CYCLES...

GIL

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Mydraal   

Hey Miles. Do you still sell rots and phyto? I'm thinking about raising a couple again. Looking at their nest week after week is starting to give me the

buzz again, lol. Will you be coming to the next meeting?

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Eldouble   

Hey Miles. Do you still sell rots and phyto? I'm thinking about raising a couple again. Looking at their nest week after week is starting to give me the

buzz again, lol. Will you be coming to the next meeting?

I probably won't make it to the next meeting, but I do still have plenty of rots and phyto. I've priority mailed them before and they make it OK.

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Eldouble   

OK... time for some new pics...

New racks at the new location...

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New Broodstock!!

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New Water Station...

Our land fill was selling rain barrels for $55. They have builtin fittings at the top to interconnect multiple barrels, came with plastic gate valves and their gaskets, and the drain/interconnect tubes. Picked them up Fri, and built the stand last night. They are almost full after 13 hrs. :) Did I mention I love having dual RO membranes !!

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And some babies....

Os and Cinnamons

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My first large group of True Percs to make it to GO

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Eldouble   

It was great meeting everyone today at the Gulfarium meeting! The behind the scenes tour was great! Thanks guys.

Deliveries of our ocellaris clowns were made to Aquaria, Matts Coral Connection, Innerarity Reefs, and the Gulfarium!!

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scootman   

Thanks again for the pizzas Miles. It's always great to see you and hopefully, the next meeting will be more festive than this one was.

Thought you might like having a pic of the skimmer you should add to your breeding systems:

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Scoots

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Eldouble   

That is an awesome skimmer... And if I had 40K gals, I would not mind cleaning it. But I'll worry about the zoning issues next year :) Although I may have to upgrade the Red Sea Berlin before then.

You're welcome for the pizza. I thank all the stores for continuing to stock Clown Hatchery clowns. They as a group paid for the pizza. Please support your local stores, and ask for aqua cultured fish and corals.

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Eldouble   

I've waited 3 years to say this...

My Black and Whites have laid a nest!!! These are the one established pair I bought a few months back. And suprisingly, they are still housed in a tank tied to the growout system. Unfortunatly, I'm not sure the day they were laid. They look to be 3 or 4 days post spawn. But finally I have a B&W nest!!!

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mgarden   

Congrats Miles. I have found that these guys seem to have smaller nests than the clarks but larger than my maroons. We are optimistic that our true percs may nest soon. We have seen them digging/bitting their rock in preparation for a nest. Fingers crossed.

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Eldouble   

We'll be making deliveries this Sat to Aquaria, Reefers, the Gufarium, Matts Coral Connection, and Innerarity Reefs. Matts and The Gulfarium will be the first to get our Cinnamon clowns. Stop by and have a look.

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Eldouble   

Deliveries complete. Gulfarium and Matts Coral also got our first delivery of True Percs.

Gulfarium = Ocellaris, Cinnamons, and True Percs

Matts Coral = Ocellaris, Cinnamons, True Percs

Aquaria = Ocellaris

Reefers paradise = Ocellaris

Thanks everyone for supporting your LFS and The Clown Hatchery!

Miles

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Eldouble   

They'll be OK until a pair is formed. Once they pair up... most likely they'll kill the third wheel. But in a 40... with a lot of rock, and a calm female, they could be OK. :) But I'd stick to 2 if at all possible.

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Eldouble   

Just found a new nest from my original pair of B&Ws :) Thats 2 pairs now!!! Only took them 3 years!!! And no... nothing changed to stimulate spawning. Very small nest though... probly 50 eggs at most. But its a start. I may actually turn a profit next year if they all continue to spawn. So heres the tally:

3 pairs of Os spawning (2 have been eating nests lately)

1 pair Os not spawning

2 pairs B&Ws spawning (no nests collected yet)

3 pairs B&Ws not spawning

1 pair of Cinnamons spawning (hatches anywhere from 9 to 14 day post spawn so hard to time collection)

1 pair Picassos not spawning

1 pair B&W female/Ocellars male not spawning

1 GSM pair not spawning.

I have 10 more tanks on order to either start a second GO system, or the replacement broodstock system.

I did install a remote deep sand bed about 2 weeks ago in the GO system. I filled a 55 gal with 400lbs of play sand, drilled the side to drain into my sump and run a slow flow of water into it. We'll see how it does in a few months. Nitrates right now are about 80 :shock:

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mgarden   

Wow!!

I am envious of all of your paired fish! Way cool that you are expanding too. I hope you do make a profit next year with all of the hard work you have put in.

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