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ScooterV   

Just looking for any ideas.

I got a small watchman goby and a fire fish at Mike's. The watchman died by that evening, and the fire fish the next day. The QT was in the laundry room, on a counter that would usually be for folding. I got worried that the smell of fabric softener, etc. was just enough for the air stone to have concentrated it in the tank. I then used part of a gift certificate all the kids contributed to for my birthday and made an order from Blue Zoo. Another watchman, fire fish, 5 royal grammas, and a free lawnmower blenny. Shipping didn't go that well and all looked bad, one gramma barely breathing. Felt like it got hot even with the cold pack in it. Anyway, once in QT two of the grammas came around but all others got worse, quickly. The lawnmower, that looked best in the bag was gone quickly, along with the gramma I already figured would be lost.  When the others started looking bad again though I broke my rule of never skipping QT and got them all to the display. Viola, those left quickly recovered, active, swimming, and eating EVEN with having been practically just dumped in with only minimal acclimation at that point (Looked like move them or lose them). They simply perked right up. Snails, crabs, and shrimp that have gone directly to the DT have also had no issues.

QT in both cases had salinity already set to exactly match the bags they came in, and both at 78 degrees.

All I can think of is my mixing station has somehow been contaminated.  I'm going to drain it, sterilize, and start over just in case. However, I have manually used some here and there but my auto water change not yet running. Would simply sitting too long possibly cause the issue? Maybe circulate it more often? Right now it only mixes an hour each morning, but easy enough to increase that. RO/DI right next to it has been in use for the ATO from day 1 and no apparent bad things from it.

Since I'm back to 5 empty tanks I want to be ready for more from Mike this weekend if I see anything I want, but I'm fearful :(  Maybe fumes in the laundry were the issue for one, and over-heating in shipping the other, and just a coincidence they did better once in the DT and would have been fine in that second QT with just a little more time.

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ScooterV   

Just an update.  Spoke with Mike for a bit and with talking through everything that happened, where tanks were, etc. the mixing station must have been contaminated with something. Or, at least it points in that direction.  So, going to just drain it, sterilize, dry, and start over along with a bungee cord so nobody can accidentally put anything in it. I'll get a damsel this weekend as a canary and if fine someone can get a free damsel when I'm sure it's ok, because it will never end up in my DT :)

Still looking for anything anyone can think of I may be missing though.  I'm also real happy I've been dragging my feet getting the auto water change running or this would have hit my DT as well.

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TrentN   

Those little air fresheners that atomizes a little bit into the air are tank killers. Make sure one isn't near by.

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ScooterV   

Grrrrr!!!  Trent, you may have just nailed it!!!  They aren't the atomizer type, but the heated type, but both rooms I tried QT has one and they are small rooms.  Even if not the kind that sprays, it's still a possibility and will be removed. 

With the African Grey we have that is sensitive to so many things we are pretty careful, but these are rooms off to the side and another possibility that would be different compared to the display tank.

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That's rough, and just my 2 cents , a damsel may not be the best Canary. I've seen them live in 2" of water with no filter, circulation or heat for a week (basically a salty puddle) and be just fine. (By accident ofcourse)


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ScooterV   

LOL, true, they can handle a lot of abuse!!  I was thinking more along the lines of contamination "somewhere" and "poison is poison" and even a damsel should have issues.  Between narrowing it down to between the mixing station somehow contaminated and Trent's reminder on the air fresheners I think I'm just going to take care of both though, and move forward. If the issue repeats then I'll simply be more perplexed.

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ScooterV   

I drained the saltwater bin yesterday. Bottom was covered in precipitate I never noticed looking down.  Not the issue, and not a big deal. However, I had numerous old buckets of salt I picked up here and there along with used equipment so no clue if THEY were contaminated.  I also picked up a slight smell I can't even describe, other than "Industrial" and my eyes watered.  So, even with no clue on how, or why, I think it's solved :(  The bin has been blasted, filled, and drained a few times now and currently sitting full with a full gallon of bleach added as well.

I'm still clueless, but otherwise sure the issue was there!!  Eyes don't water over some calcium precipitate!!  

Otherwise, with another vacation coming up and a house sitter with no aquarium experience I'm putting on the brakes :(  Skimmer is working hard with the TBS rock die off, phyto bloom, and the fish I "dumped" right in.  I'm going to just leave it alone until after vacation. Should be settled enough the skimmer can even make it the week without showing the kid how to empty it. Tank is back to almost crystal clear otherwise though. It should be in great shape after another month or so of little stress!!

I will be at Mike's sometime tomorrow though to drop off a bunch of styrofoam boxes and cold packs, so hope to run into someone other than just Mike, Trent, and Angel!! I can see them anytime!!!  LOL

Thanks a bunch though!!  Not just for ideas and input here, but those who have stopped by.  Any group like this is also great just to run thoughts by them, make you look deeper!!

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I had no idea what to say about your quarantine issue but whatever it turns out to be hopefully you got it and moved past it. I know I am very careful with any cleaners or scents where my tank is concerned.

I'll be out to the store tomorrow at 11 so hope to meet you out there.

Rich


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