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Trying It Again, 40 Breeder, Well Maybe 93 Cube

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Still are. I picked up the screen the other day. I saw a cerial container I think I can use as a splash shield. I should have about 90% of the parts to build one. I just need to do it.

I don't know about dilluted solutions being an issue but I got some advice on mixing pickling lime (calcium hydroxide) with the pure vinegar and then you can do single daily doses of that. Keeps the acid of the vinegar from bottoming out your ph.

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I have heard of using vinegar to help release the calcium in the pickling lime but have never heard of doing it the other way around. I guess it makes sense since you are just using the vinegar as a carbon source anyway when using it to lower phosphates and nitrates. Would be careful and keep and eye on calcium and hardness reading while doing it just to keep the two in check. Generally the lime should keep the two in check but I would watch it just the same.

Richard

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Yes the addition of the vinegar can allow more of the lime to disolve. The lime acts as a preservative for the vinegar. The dosing of vinegar can be used as an organic carbon sourse to feed bacteria which in turn use phosphates and nitrates. Much like using vodka but cheaper and in larger quantities. Nothing conclusive but vinegar seems not as likely to cause a cyano bloom like vodka sometimes does. Starting with a 10ml per day dose of vinegar

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I week in and Nitrates have fallen by about 1/3. Going to just continue the 10ml dose oer day for another week and see where everything is then. Cyano growth has slowed way down.

I also programed in the 20 minute increments into the led light. That took a bit of effort but the ramp up and down is much smoother now.

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Just my two cents but your bangaii is probably a male and the new one you added was a male also -2 males one will kill the other -2 females tolorate each other wont kill one another -1male 1 female do ok at first but the male is not as aggressive at chasing her

If you feed the bangaii real well-fat belly  look near the vent area males have 2 vents females have 1 and yes the male does have a square jaw but young ones can be tough 

Just FYI-

Great job on the tank by the way looks sharp

Chris

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So I am curious how you are mixing your dose since you said you were using calcium hydroxide to even the ph out.

Richard

Per RHF just mix in pickling lime into the vinegar till you see solids settle out. Yes you will be adding a tiny volume if calcium and Alkalinity but at the doses we use the vinegar for (upper limit of around 200ml per day) you are dosing very very little. I have watched the ph after dosing and it never moves. Nothing seems effected other than skimmer seems more active, which is a sign of increased bacterial growth.

I have read that if you have had bacterial and infections on your fish to think seriously about dosing any carbon source. It can feed bad bacteria as well as good.

 

 

Edit to clarify:  Vinegar is 5% acetate acid (our carbon source) the remainder is water.  By adding the pickling lime you saturate that 95% water to a high PH and it cancels out the lowering effect the 5% acid has on the tank.  At the ml sized does we use for organic carbon dosing you will not see any significant rise in ALK or Calcium from the addition.  If I recall my reading correctly the maximum effective does of vinegar is 4x1ml per gallon, so for a 100 gallon system the max dose would be 400ml of vinegar per day (or approximately 0.1 gallon) 

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Just my two cents but your bangaii is probably a male and the new one you added was a male also -2 males one will kill the other -2 females tolorate each other wont kill one another -1male 1 female do ok at first but the male is not as aggressive at chasing her

If you feed the bangaii real well-fat belly  look near the vent area males have 2 vents females have 1 and yes the male does have a square jaw but young ones can be tough 

Just FYI-

Great job on the tank by the way looks sharp

Chris

Thanks for the info. I will look and see what I can see. The one does hang out close to the front a good bit. I am pretty much at full stocking right now. It's possible I might add one but I am in no hurry.

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Everyone in the tank is settling in and everything seems to be going well.  

The Kole and the Angel have both shown Lymphocystis,

 

The Angel appears to already be over it.  the tang has two spots still showing.  I have been soaking food in selcon and also got in some vita-chem on Tuesday so I have been adding that.  

 

The male Lyretail Anthias is still slowly morphing into a full male.  

 

I have a 6 bulb T5 retro fit kit to add to the LED light as well.  Hopefully begin working on that this weekend.   I plan on building a hanging canopy for all the lighting.

 

I am still dosing vinegar,  my cyano problems have almost completely disappeared.  I am still testing for nitrates and I get reading of around 10ppm.  I recently upped my dose to 15ml per day (still very low in the scheme of things).  I am shooting for a regular reading of 5ppm Nitrates with my current heavy feeding schedule.  

 

Picked up a used APEX for a decent price.  Plan to hook it up and use my old DC8 from the aquacontroller as well, should give me all the control I want.  May look into a webcam setup for vacations as well so I can look in on the tank visually as well as see the basic parameters.  

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Bigdog has a webcam in his stand because he travels a bit for work. Has it pointed so he can see skimmer and some other things in his sump. You may ask him what type camera he is using because it looked to be sealed up so maybe appropriate for the environment. It also looked like it could be controlled so he could look around inside stand.

Also curious which bulbs you were gonna add for the t5s. I looked at Lee's tank again the other day and he is using the blue and purple bulbs(not sure exactly which bulbs), but it made a huge difference and sold me on the addition. I really like the led lights but I miss the way the vho's made the tank look and I have not been able to attain that with my setup. Hoping to get it with the t5s and chase off a few of the shadows.

Richard

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Right now the plan is all ATI bulbs.  Adding 6 total - 2 Blue +, 2 Coral +, 1 Purple Plus and 1 Actinic

 

Combos will probably be - Actinic and Blue +, Blue+ and Coral + and Coral + and Purple Plus.

 

I am adding for the color pop and reduced shadows.  

 

It'll be a few weeks till I get everything buttoned up with the canopy but you are welcome to come by and check it out.  

 

 

 

Cyano is still there and Nitrates keep bouncing between 10 and 20.... dang color tests.  I've upped the vinegar dose to 20ml per day.  I am at a very low dose so it may take a few more additions to get it to a stable dose to get the number I am shooting for (regular tests between 5 and 10ppm nitrate).  With my fish load and the fish I am keeping I like to overfeed.  

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I started the vinegar dosing shortly after you did. I am just moving up to 20 ml in the next few days. At 15 now. I may start working on canopy Sunday before super bowl. I looked at wood a little bit ago and am just trying to sort out how I want to do the mounting of my led. May try to hook up Friday or Saturday evening and get that retro from you. You have plans for the game?

Richard

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I'm going over for a SB gathering in Pensacola for the game.  I should be around otherwise.  

 

I noticed a pretty big upswing in skimmer performance after the first few days of dosing, which is what everyone has reported and the science supports.... just nice to see a visual change.  I am trying to only go up in 5ml steps once a week.  I am sure you can go faster but my nitrates weren't that high in the whole scheme of things but it is definitely helping slow the cyano by removing those nutrients.  Obviously still plenty of nutrients since my cheato needs pruning again.  One of the reasons I am probably seeing a bit slower drop is not long after starting I added some livestock.  I believe the combination of plenty of cheato growing room and the vinegar dosing kept me from seeing the normal mini-cycle after adding fish to a system.

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With the addition of the Apex now was a good time to go ahead and automate the dosing of the vinegar and make adjusting alk, Magnesium and calcium in the tank easier. I am using 1.1ml/minute dosing pumps from BRS. I kept an eye out on different national sites and picked up 4 of them for around $50 each. I made my own dosing containers using a 1 gallon jug from Walmart ($3each), some acrylic tube, and 1/4" murloc bulkheads from BRS(~$3 each? And some refrigerator water supply hose (25'-$7).

Pardon the mess, the other side of the stand is torn appart for adding the APEX system.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f43/drauka99/Tank%20Build/20160214_084502_zpswt1dho2r.jpg

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I love the cubes. I have to admit I am jealous that you have the bigger one. One day I think I will build a four foot by four foot by two foot high. And set it up like an island with the overflow in the middle. I like the rock islands with all the swimming room, and it doesn't hurt you have sand in the first three inches in yours.

Richard

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I really wanted a 3'*3'*2'tall. I do think the eventual upgrade will be a 4'*30"*2'tall ~150 galons. Be as big of a tank as my space would allow.

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In other news,  About have the dosing regimen down to keep numbers stable week in and week out.

 

Alk is doing 50ml a day of Randy Holmes Farley DIY 2 part Recipe 2 (Baking soda in ro water) Is keeping the tank at 9dkh over the past 3 days.

Calcium is dropping at a steady rate, it was a little high at 450 and now is at 435, I will start dosing when it hits 425 to hold 425

Magnesium started at 1395 and is now at 1455 so I cute the daily dose in half,  Only dosing 10ml per day now.

 

Nitrates were still high from me roasting my refugium (80ppm) so I upped the vinegar dose again to 35ml per day. Pretty sure once all that clears out I will be cutting whatever my final dose is in half.  Would love to keep nitrate between 5-10ppm  

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Update.

Came home from a mini-vacation to find all the fish alive but about half covered with ICK. I brushed up on my disease reading and decided to go with Tank Transfer Method. You basically outrun the ick life cycle by moving the fish to a totally new setup every 3 days. A cycle isn't a concern since you are moving everything so fast. And you match salinity and temp in the transfer tank so no acclimation is needed. I borrowed the clubs 20 long. Bought another of my own and 2 powerheads, 2 heaters, 2 themometers and a bunch of ammonia alert badges and the cheapest salt mix I could find.

I had to remove all of the rock and half the water from the cube to catch the fish. By the time everything g came in the male anthias had already passed. Got everything over to the 1st tank after several hours of chasing fish around a e0x30 tank (not recommended as a fun Friday night). I Monday now on the 2nd transfer (3rd tank full of water) All the remaining fish look fine with no obvious infestation. I have lost a firefish, the melenarus wrasse and the goby. The firefish had been hiding in the rockwork from the other and was pretty weak. The melenarus and Goby found small holes in the screen tops and managed to become cat food.

I have my old r0 breeder setup as a holding tank once the transfers are done. I have dosed it with a pod culture to hopefully get so e in there and breeding before the dragonet gets transfered in.

I still have several more weeks before any fish can return to the 93 cube.

Keeping all the equipment separate and sterile is a big concern.

The fish left are the core group I had wanted from the beginning so maybe they will all make it. They are eating so that's a plus. I am trying to feed every other day and add a little prime to the transfer tanks each day....it's a large bio load for a 20 long even with the loses.

I have always joked about QT. I have had several tanks in the past and not one fish has ever went through QT. Never a sickness till now. It's no fun but trust me QTing one fish at a time as you add them is a heck of a lot easier than dealing with a main tank full of sick fish.

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